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top-notch collection of short stories
Bestselling Irish native Emma Donoghue (SLAMMERKIN) delivers a top-notch collection of 19 short stories featuring a variety of everyday characters caught in the middle of the unexpected. On the surface, each offering is grouped according to one of five themes: Babies, Domesticity, Strangers, Desire, and Death. On a deeper level, these broadly defined boundaries intersect throughout many of the stories, as they often do in reality, creating a series of snapshots that are both unique and true to life.
"Perhaps discretion was the better part of motherhood, after all."

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Subjects:  1. English Canadian Novel And Short Story    2. Fiction    3. Fiction - General    4. Gay    5. Lesbian    6. Short Stories (single author)    7. Fiction / Short Stories (single author)   

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ON BEING NORMAL
This review is primarily an endorsement of Anna Otto's December 5, 2000 review of this book. I don't think her review could be improved upon except perhaps for one quote from Christopher Isherwood's 'Mr. Lancaster' which holds forth the promise of universality: "What I am has refashioned itself throughout the days and years, and until now almost all that remains constant is the mere awareness of being conscious. And that consciousness belongs to everybody; it isn't a particular person." Mr. Lancaster's statement is surely a promise to gay people of all ages, and to the friends and parents of gays.

ON BEING NORMAL
...I don't think her review could be improved upon except perhaps for one quote from Christopher Isherwood's 'Mr. Lancaster' which holds forth the promise of universality: "What I am has refashioned itself throughout the days and years, and until now almost all that remains constant is the mere awareness of being conscious. And that consciousness belongs to everybody; it isn't a particular person." Mr. Lancaster's statement is surely a promise to gay people of all ages, and to the friends and parents of gays.

Excellent collection
A versatile and engaging anthology of stories about gay relationships. Some author names included here will surprise you (Henry James? but his "Pupil" is one of the most amusing and engaging stories), others will delight you (W. Burroughs' "Wild Boys."). Edmund White, a prominent gay writer, thankfully included his own short story, "Skinner Alive," into this collection, and I fell in love with his lyrical style. He displays great taste in editing this collection, and provides an insightful foreword. Every story here brings an interesting nuance to the genre, and each one holds surprises for the reader. This isn't just a book for the collection of short gay and lesbian fiction... this is a book of great short fiction - no more definition needed. ... Read more

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"If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it."
First published in the New Yorker magazine in 1997, this powerful short story won the National Magazine Award for Fiction and an O. Henry Award.Exploding the stereotype of the cowboy, author Annie Proulx creates a passionate love story between two young ranch hands who believe their love and relationship are unique.Both are nineteen, and neither will entertain the thought that he might be gay ("I'm not no queer...it's a one-shot thing.").
"Nobody's business but ours"
I read Annie Proulx's short story, Brokeback Mountain, after seeing the movie. I find it incredible that Proulx could convey such depth of emotion in a 55-page short story.Her words are haunting and the story paints a beautiful portrait even though it is kind of hard to shake the images of Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger and instead see the characters as just Ennis and Jack.If you liked the movie, you'll love the short story. It's such a quick and fulfilling read, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

HEATH LEDGER SHOULD HAVE WON THE OSCAR !!!!
As you (may) already know, "Brokeback Mountain" is the story of forbidden homosexual love in rural 60's Middle-America where homophobia and bigotry are (very) prevalent. This is an awesome love story because the love of Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar is pure, and genuine.
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AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT TO THE GOTH TRIUMVIRATE
which I deem:
in depth eye opener
Mr. Clint has really let all of us, no matter what stage of life we are in, what planet we are from, or the aumont of zeros on our paycheck, look inside his world and gave us a whole new realm of thought. I loved this book. I read it in two days. AND thats with two kids under the age of 4, a hubby and a big white dog. I couldnt put it down. Its an awesome book. I can not wait for his next wonder in print... keep up the good work clint. This is definately a must read!

Catalyst at his Best!!
This is a great selection of essays and poetry from Clint Catalyst.They deal with gay relationships, adolescence, and out of control drug addiction.These subjects are dealt with in such an honest, clear and edgy way.The lives of these unconventional characters are brought to the page so intensely with all their flaws clearly exposed.You'll feel their thoughts and feelings.The artistic language used in this book make it a pleasure to read right through to the last page.No matter how dark and trashy these characters get you'll want to read more. Read more

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Maybe viewed as a sociological document, the book can be viewed as of some value.Ms. Tea documents about a decade of her life 14-24.Grew up in Boston area, seemed able to run into Boston and hang out with various crowds.Lots of drinking, living a "wild" life, I guess.Her boyfriend Ian, with whom sex was a chore.Moving into a lesbian life, which it almost appears she wills herself into because she does not seem to develop any sort of deep emotional attachment.She works some; has girlfriends; Lize gets her into whoring and they become a couple.Back and forth to Tucson a couple of times.Denouement, of sorts.
Not for everyone
The typos and run-on sentences were killing me, but this memoir was hard to put down and definitely worth my time.

worth a read if you like ms. tea
although this wasn't a life changing, earth shattering book by any means i thought it was worth my time.it was fun and personable.a good first attempt and worth a read when you consider the effect she has had on young, queer liturature.don't expect perfect prose or classic liturature, but if you're looking to kill a few hours with a "querky" queer gal or want to read the debut by the author of valencia, than give this book a shot. ... Read more

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The final story...
I really loved this book - it grabbed me from the beginning to end. Its so much more than "lesbian fiction". The last story where her mother dies, had me cold. It really made me feel so depressed and sad that I had to call home just to hear a voice I knew. That part...its harrowing.
Highly dissapointed
I purchased this book with the intention of reading gritty tales of growing up in the South, not lesbian porn.I do not have a problem with Ms. Allison's sexual preference; some of what she had to say about being a lesbian was interesting.However, I found this book to be pornographic and disgusting.I did not realize that 80% of this book was detailed sexual encounters.For example, one story describes her partner urinating on her face. I do not recommend this book.

i am fat from the honey of her prose
This book is hot. There is heat, and there is fire. I agree with others...the later stories do not compel as the early. Even in "River of Names," the scenes between the persona and the lover make me cringe--it seems like too much of a Device. Without those parts, "River of Names" is layered and astonishing. Sure, shocking, too, if your childhood is not full of dead cousins, but I am using "astonishing" to describe the grace of Allison's prose. She picks you up and drops you into each episode...lets you fall through it like you're in it. Only to catch (you, caught, are breathless) and drop again. "Gospel Song" is the real heat. So hot you oughta know it'll end with real flames. ... Read more

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Moving and Strong
The title story is just devastatingly beautiful.I've read and heard many stories about coming to the United States from Cuba, but this one so vividly conveys the emotions of discovery and loss that a part of being anexile, I wept.I teach a course on US Latino Literature, and I will nowask my students to read this.And anyone else I can convince.

A great mix of fun stories
I loved this work from Obejas.It was such a fast read that I read it again.If you look beyond the surface, you see a world that many will relate to in their own lives...maybe not in whole, but at least partially.

important topics, poor writing
The important topics that Abejas broaches can not override the overall flawed structure, lazy sentences, and underdeveloped characters.Lousy writing. ... Read more

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More Of Rebel Yell
In REBEL YELL 2, Mr. Quinn continues what he started in his first volume REBEL YELL although the collection is bigger here with 22 writers represented, including some from the previous volume. The definition of a Southern gay writer and who therefore makes the cut seems to have gotten even milkier here with the likes of Felice Picano making an appearance. According to Mr. Quinn Mr. Picano comes from New York and now lives in California-- and I suppose he has changed planes in Atlanta if that makes him a Southern writer-- in any event, he's included. More tabasco please
As a fan of Rebel Yell 1 it is with resigned disappointment that I accord this Sequel the two star rating befitting most any Sequel in any Genre.Because to my disappointment that is all Rebel Yell 2 amounts to.Outakes...leftovers."Let's take a good thing and see how far we can make it stretch".To anybody interested in this subject matter I can only say buy the first book skip the sequel.And hold your breath together with me in hope that Jay Quinn takes a long enough breather for Rebel Yell 3 to be something FRESH.

More Stories of the "Southern Gay Experience"
Once I had read the first book of stories about the Southern gay experience, REBEL YELL, edited by Jay Quinn, I was hoping there would be a second book of stories to follow.My wish has now come true.Jay Quinn, who authored two other wonderful books, "METES AND BOUNDS" and "THE MENTOR" has gathered together twenty-two new southern gay stories.These are exciting and touchingstories of awakening gay sexuality, and the impact that religion, friends and family have on their lives.They are told from a Southern gay perspective.There stories are from such noted authors as; Jeff Mann, Jameson Currier, Robin Lippincott, and Greg Herren, as well as many other new voices in Southern gay writing.These are not erotic, sex-filled stories, but heartfelt renderings of what it is like to be gay, and from the south.There's a feeling of Southern pride and heritage in each of these stories.Whether you're gay or straight, a southern boy will always be a proud southern boy.Read more

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Winner Small Press Book Award & A Different Light pick
The title story "Rainbow county" is amazing in this book that was a "Staff Recommendation" at A Different LIght Bookstore when it came out. I remember. I worked there then. I recommended it. And time proves me right. Muscle stories, soldiers, you name it. Some stories you forget. Some stick in your head. This book took me over the rainbow!

A Five Star Bedside Read
You could read through all 12 of the selections and never guess they were written by the same man. The going is rough and rugged in "Rainbow County," one of the many anthologies of Jack Fritscher's work. I will pay a very high compliment to "RoughNight@sodom.com." This story shocked me so much that I had to put the book down and catch my breath. I won't give the details, but you'll never again think of [certain phrases] in the same light after reading this story. God forgive me, I didn't know I'd get turned on by this!
I like erotica, but this book pushed the meaning of erotica into territory I never knew could be a turn on. I'm almost embarrassed to admit that this old dog learned some new tricks. The writing is way better done than writing in mainstream books. Erotica when it's good becomes so believeable that you... Can John Grisham make you do that? ... Read more

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An Author's gift to her readers

Kallmaker's continuations
These stories are not really sequels, but continuations of and additions to all of Kallmaker's novels published to this point. What a Treat!
For those of you out there who are fans of Kallmaker's, you MUST read this book.It's so much fun to see where your favorite characters end up.If you haven't read any of Kallmaker's books yet, read the other ones first and then get this one. ... Read more

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A Big Bowl of Awesome and Awful
Here's a book of short stories, with a title that will make you think it's about English School boys. Yeah right. The stories are about young boys from 9 to 16-years old (sprinkled here and there with older men, including a disturbing story with the writer itself... and here I thought only fic-writers dared to write Mary-Sue's...), all male, with other males... well, save one story. Or was it two?
Oh puh leeze
Having lived in a boarding school I thought that this book would perhaps reflect or enhance my experiences. As it turns out this is nothing but adult men writing about their sexual fantasies of being younger and wantingto be with other men. As an example, I know of no 10 year old boy who whould want to seduce a grown man. Perhaps there are some pyschopathies in the real world that will be the exception, but this book isn't even worth being resold. I have been around the block on so many levels, but this book reeks.

Boys and sex with other boys.
This book contains many short stories that are so realistic they appear true. All stories are about boys having sex with other boys, either sex play or the real thing. The book does an excellent job covering all ages from preteen to teen. I wish this author would write a sequil. The book has high re-readability. It was hard to put down and I can't wait to start it again. There is a need for more of this kind of 'first sexual contact' stories. Chris Kent did a marvelous job covering subject matter that in the US get's only negative coverage. My childhood sexual encounters produced positive cherished memories.
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An honest, subtle book to read during a rainstorm
I bought this book because I wasn't interested in the "Erotic Lesbian" anthologies that seem to dominate the gay and lesbian fiction section. It was a pleasant surprise. I have devoured this book like ice cream on a hot day. Every story (I can think of only one exception- "Shelling Peas"-too much "telling" and too preachy) had a unique voice and honest tone. I have found something to relate to in each separate story. "If This Were..." was exceptionally clever, "Swing Shift" was timely, "The View From Inside" had me laughing out loud, "Members of the Wedding" had me crying, "Wood" was a moving novella. Most lesbians will find something in each story to take with them. If you enjoy reading lesbian stories that are subtle, yet have many layers to them, this is the book to buy.

Slightly the "dumb blond" version of a book
Besides the story with the rabbit, "Bunrab" which was very amusing, the rest are moreless boring. It was a dissapointment after "Tasting life twice", which I have found absolutely 5 stars. Iguess I was hoping for something "heavier"... ... Read more

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"Who cares what straight people think about us?" complains one of the characters in Andrew Holleran's first collection of short stories. "I don't care if they understand what I do in bed. Read more

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beautiful
beautiful simply because holleran's observations are keen and well-written.deeply satisfying and true.

Light and Dark
I am just as impressed with this book on my second reading as on my first, years earlier: the beauty of the prose, the sharply drawn characters and the sense of reality that the writing imparts. On my second perusal, however, I noticed more strongly, the loneliness and restrained sadness that suffuses nearly all the stories. Andrew re-creates on paper, a homosexual world wherein sex is abundant, love a rarity and romance non-existent. This book might have sunk into pessimism and gloom but Andrew lifts it up to rarified layers with his sheer talent for description. Whether it's a graduate house or a lifeless station platform, a small town or a big city, the precision and economy of his style is extraordinary. Running short
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The Freshmen Team Does Well
First, this new anthology of gay writing, FRESH MEN, has a clever title with at least two meanings. Secondly, the writers are all for the most part unknown. Edmund White, who selected them says that not one writer has had a book published yet. Third, they come from all areas of the United States as well as the British Isles. And they are not all Caucasian. The stories are set in a variety of locales and are not all about gay men picking up other gay men in bars. We can finally read about gay men who interact with other people besides other gay men and live outside a gay ghetto in a large city, usually New York.As you would expect from most any collection of stories, some are better than others. Some of the stories are excellent. I would put "ONJ.com," "Acqua Calda," "TV Dinner" and "Teamwork" in that category. "ONJ.com" by Vestal McIntyre, the first story in the book, is about a young woman in the world of advertising who wishes to "make a gay friend," a silly wish on its face, and gets more than she bargains for. In Keith McDermott's "Acqua Calda" a young American wrestles with how and when or if he should tell an Italian whom he is attracted to that he is HIV positive. "TV Dinner"by Reed Hearne is a funny account of a minor TV personality's filming of a day in the life of a waiter in the California Bay Area. Kevin Reardon's "Teamwork," which according to the biographical data about the authors won the 2003 Richard Hall Memorial Short Story Contest, is a great little story about proofreaders at Healthco, "a pharmaceutical advertising agency. The narrator has a crush on Todd, a perfectly drawn character, who when he gets fired over an ampersand by Gregory, a gay art director who "played for the team," responds: "'You're a bastard, man. . . I am so out of here.'" He is just so "kwel."
Another Anthology & Largely A Good Thing Too...
These twenty stories seemed to me excellent, also okay, few deficient. I found a quarter of them to be good art.
Excellent Stories of Life in the Gay Community
"Fresh Men" is a collection of twenty short stories selected by distinguished author Edmund White.All are interesting. There are stories with African-American, Hispanic, Filipino, and Asian characters, as well as the usual types.There are stories set at school, in the family, at work, at cruising, and around relationships.The variety is good, at least as it has been understood.
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A black lesbian bookshelf basic
This book unites the coming out experiences of black women from different socioeconomic and geographic backgrounds.
Thanks to the author
I'm still reading this book and it has brought many good things to light for me.I'm sending my copy to a friend so she can read it and understand more things about herself.

Great book!
Readers will absolutely love this book.It is filled from cover to cover with great stories.I've read some of the stories more than once.Read more

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Editorial Review

A sly, brainy, delicately shaded novel masquerading as a postmodern short story collection, Aldo Alvarez's debut is like an offbeat dinner guest who ends up as the life of the party. Most of these 16 stories offer a fragment in an ongoing (though out-of-sequence) tale of the love relationship of Mark, a brooding, slightly homophobic music producer, and Dean, an antiques appraiser, who tests the tolerance of his new love interests by making a queeny display of himself on first dates. One of the most poignant of these stories, "Quintessence," takes place before Dean meets Mark, and is about his failed attempt to find love with a simple, well-meaning, ordinary Joe, who has shown Dean his horrible "art" of doll toilet-paper covers, "breathtakingly ugly in design and execution." Refusing to take the easy way out of this heartbreaking scenario, Alvarez's sympathies remain evenly divided. Even when Dean hates himself, his author doesn't. With malice toward none, and humor for all, Alvarez builds a network of complicated but very real connections, in a voice that is spare and surprising. Read more

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The best collection of stories in recent memory
I find a lot of collections of short stories have that aroma of M.F.A. program to them: they're samey, predictable, tame, bloodless, by-the-book, trendy, with maybe a few features that distinguish them from each other and from the Big Name Author books they're parroting.Aldo Alvarez's collection constantly surprises, engages both my emotions and my mind, and succesfully breaks the rules; hopefully, it will also set a trend for books in their own genre, with few or no equals.I feel like I've discovered a new favorite author; I've just read INTERESTING MONSTERS a second time, and I can't seem to get enough.I strongly recommend it to my friends.

The Death Of Expectations
I had heard about this book from friends of mine in San Francisco, where I live, and I couldn't wait to read it.I have to say that Mr. Alvarez can write, and he knows how to put words together.But he doesn't know how to write a story.I kept waiting for things to move together in a way that made for enjoyable reading, but all the time I kept thinking that Mr. Alvarez was writing for himself and not giving any thought to the reader.He lost me in his forced symbolism and his strained surrealism.I guess he's read too many Latin American novelists and he thinks that he's supposed to be mystical.I am sure he'll write a really wonderful short story collection someday, when he's thinking of his readers first.There are rules to writing stories.Mr. Alvarez should learn them.But, it was a good effort.

Mostly moving stories
Most of the "fictions" in this interesting collection seem to befragments of a novel, a novel about the rocky romance of Mark and Dean,told out of chronological sequence and with differing narrators, including that of a homophobic social-climbing San Juan realtor who gets her comeuppance ("Property Values"). I particularly like "Quintessence" and "Other People'sComplications"two stories about the impermeability of hearts (gay and straight, respectively.Read more

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Dazzling
This book is one of the most extraordinary accounts I have ever read of the AIDS crisis and its impact.It disavows all the usual cant, in favor of two "stories" that recreate the mental world of two survivors. The larger portion of the book is given over to the memories of OdetteO'Doyle, a drag queen (though she would never use the phrase) who has justreturned from Europe where she scattered the ashes of eight of her deadfriends.Her account ranges over the New York gay scene for nearly fourdecades, with constant insight and an accumulating mass of detail that are,in the end, both funny and deeply moving, in a way that I had hardlyanticipated.You may be able to find this book second-hand; it certainlyshould be back in print.

A tough and trenchant masterwork by James McCourt
Time Remaining -- technically a story and a novella which cohere into a whole -- is a masterwork of the most impressive order and a classic on a number of levels.Its various strands include: half a century of haut gaysensibility, from the postwar years to the season of AIDS; the lowcorruption of American politics; a fireworks display of opinions on opera,poetry, the novel and old movies (or "moompix metaphysics"); anda feat of tough and brilliant writing, sustained at the highestintellectual level.This is sheer text, and not for the lazy, thefaint-hearted, or those happy with received truths and well-worn genres. Though its purported story -- a scattering of the ashes of nine dead dragqueens, most casualties of AIDS -- suggests an elegy, the impact of readingMcCourt in full, ferocious form is nothing short of exhilarating.Thatthis book is out of print is scandalous; that it was barely recognized onpublication -- in favor of easier, more easily categorized (ormarginalized) gay authors and their books -- is yet more shameful.This isan alkaline, angry turn from the author of Mawrdew Czgzowchwz, the mostdazzling novel about opera ever written.But in its idiosyncratic way,Time Remaining gleans the gold.

Why is this book out of print?
You can take your Caleb Carrs and your Cold Mountains and whatnot and call them the best of the 1990s, but this wonderful masterwork by the sadly underrated McCourt (no relation to Angela's Arses) is the decade's finestbook. Read more

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Spotted an author I wanted to read in the Table of Contents

Excellent lesbian fiction
A wonderful and diverse mix of stories in one anthology. This book isn't breathless declarations and slurpy kissing, these stories are thoughtful, emotive, sometimes funny, sometimes wry, sometimes poignant, but always entertaining. Took My Breath Away
This book really took my breath away.The first story in the book, Lucy Jane Bledsoe's "The Breath of Seals" was amazing...sweet, subtle, with believable characters I related to.There's something in this book for everyone, whether you're jaded about lesbian love, just starting a relationship, or are an old hat at the lesbian love game.The writing is top-notch and the stories aren't saccharine. Some of my favorite lesbian writers - including Karin Kallmaker